Thank you both!

Thank you for so many years of unselfish, sincere dedication . . .
For all of the sacrifices you have both made . . .
for all the money you have so freely given to publish and pursue this work -
Thank you for never giving up . . no mater what . .

Thank you Jacque – for unselfishly giving us all – the incredible talents and wisdom you brought into this world.

Thank you Roxanne – for dedicating so many years of your life to this cause – and for ALL of the help, support and belief – in Jacque.

From all of my might – and most heartfelt sincerity -

I thank you.

Thank you for doing The Venus Project. Its in my mind a truly global project in which all people on the planet will benefit from. I do my best to contribute in spreading it. By doing that i also learn about how people reacts on the ideas. Since its a global project i have one suggestion: Sometimes its not so easy to understand the words. Sometimes i dont even find them in a dictionary. So…. since its a global project i would like you to try and use simple words when its possible.

With lots of love and respect – juni

It’s hard to break a vicious cycle. But you could simply “step out of it” and get onto a better road.

Pedro says: “There will come a day when there will be Peace across the World and Freedom for all. That day will come when people forget their woes and learn to dance to the Music of Life”.
(Pedro motivates my trials, errors and options).

I can’t be around to see Jacque’s magic, wonderful world. But I hope my grandchildren will. There may be issues that might interfere with the Venus Project. But hopefully, as the collective focus grows, the Venus on Earth dream might become an impregnable fortress of reality. With deep respect – Bob

Heya,

So I’ve soaked up a tun of commentary from this site and the Zeitgeist movie. I took basic economics and I see what you are saying. I’ve question “this system” for a long time and i’ve managed to escape it in my own way.

I have a small pack of questions:

Can you give us a run down of how a large project like the building of one of the structures you have depicted would be built if money was not used to “dirrect” or “organize” the required resources? I mean building a building of that size required to mobilization of lots of resrouces. Money is a vehicle by which large teams of people “self organize”; Investors, Companies, Employees, “Clients” or “users” etc. I don’t mean to be bold, but I like concrete examples. I need to be able to visualize real world examples.

How do we get from here to there? How do you intend to pry this world from the iron grip of those who profit from this world ( or THINK they are profiting )?

what is a “common heritage”?

People tend to be greedy; How can we change that? I can envision one way in which, over time, the values of society change. But that would be in the order of 3-100s of generations ( depending on fast we begin having to pay for the catastope we’ve wrought in this world).

I find many of you arguments falacious. Is there a forum somewhere where people can discuss things in depth?

David Thornton

Let History Be. Take from it the virtues that enable us to continue the Journey; discard the failures upon which nothing can be built. Let History be the past it is, let today be the beginning of a New Life.

What else can a 70 year old on a mere govt. pension do but hope that people wake up.
I play the Music of Life while my fingers allow me to do so and I care about a 42 acre speck of ecosystem while my back holds up. And I share the vision of Jacque Fresco in my hopes for a future of today’s children.

I’ve posted pros, cons, arguments and ignited debates at the Zeitgeist Venus Project forums where I continue to learn from an infinite diversity of wisdom and ignorance, including my own.

I’m lagging behind the daily IT upgrades, simply can’t keep up, and am in a time restrictive position as a practicing classical/flamenco/multicultural guitarist/composer refusing to “retire”.

In conclusion, my personal options are clear. Whatever I do, I hope it generates frequencies which support the foundations Jacque is trying to lay for a better humanity than today’s.

Question: Who lives on my doorstep at Mudgeeraaba Qld. Aus?

Since my initial visit to zeitgeist-Venus Project, I don’t know quite how to describe it other than I feel like a completely new human being. I feel like a sponge that cannot absorb enough information about this endeavor.

I have yet to recall ever feeling this much inspiration about anything in my life, or anything ever filling me full of such hope. And not only for myself, but more so for all of mankind.

I can only awake each day wondering how soon all this could be possible.The sooner we awake more human beings to this knowledge and possibility the sooner I imagine. I try to tell someone each day to go visit the site. I now find myself in my quiet time visiting this site, just to feel like I came home, to where I belong.

Some have said this endeavor is too great to undertake. I say, in Africa, they eat a big elephant, 1 bite at a time…

To all who may visit and ponder, let me only say… To A Better Day My Friends ~

Quote – David Tornton:
How do we get from here to there? How do you intend to pry this world from the iron grip of those who profit from this world ( or THINK they are profiting?

In response: I have grappled with these questions and many more, thrown them on the Zeitgeist “The Venus Project” forum, took the magnitude of pro & con responses in my stride. It is unavoidable that people start asking questions and it is impossible for every person to have access to all available information in a short span of time, or person to person access. But lectures are held, information is available, though many answers are hard to find and some may not have been brought to the surface.

Your economics question is valid indeed. But the evidence of the current “economics” system being a huge dead end catastrophe is clear today, as it has been many times before – economy pushed by borrowed money, driven by over industrialization and abuse of resources and the system, economy built on the poverty of millions for the greed of a corrupt few, economy built on war, destruction and foreign re-”construction”. Not being an “economics” institution graduate, I have learned the art of economics at a personal level, and I can’t see why that shouldn’t work the same in a global economy. In my present situation as an (aged) pensioner on a govt. return a quarter of an average (wage earner) income, I survive, because I own my home, stay out of debt, and spend no money on the lures of commercially promoted lifestyles and commodities. Yet, I feed myself and my three dogs and a few regularly visiting birds, and pay my bills on time.

The cost of materials and labour required futuristic Fresco design?
In Australia they’re building “mushroom suburbs”. The construction methods are way out of date, defy all logic, and are geared to provide every Tom, Dick and Harry with a carbon copy of a luxurious castle. In my humble thinking, there is your beginning for new eco-compatible design within the principles of Jacque Fresco’s early Venus Project Stage. Simple living design backed by modern technology and forward thinking could well prove to be 50% or more less costly than building outmoded structures and building methods.
In futuristic design Jacque Fresco is not alone. Question is not about 100 years to infinity from now, but how do you lay the foundations, where do you begin, and who will you support. Then there’s the question of who do you trust and can you foresee whether corruption will strangle in its own devices or will it remain with us forever. Can’t be answered. All you can answer is that the world of humanity needs to make a beginning on new foundations, so far nothing has worked. Best place to start is now.

Copied from my latest response posted at the rather mixed up, controversial Zeitgeist “The Venus Project” thread:

I started playing in bands 1963, at the last pulse of the “standard jazz/swing/latin” era, while I taught classical/flamenco guitar in my studio. It was the turn around to a new music era, where jazz musos turned to rock to survive in a world that set the corporate love affair with the “music business” in motion. I saw the signs then already in some of my pupils who wanted to learn the songs of their contemporary revolutionaries, and the kids starting playing 60 watt distorted guitar amp noise in the pubs, many of whom have since died from drugs. By 1971 I retreated to my studio full time and stuck to my guns (Classical and Flamenco guitar) while everything around me turned to hell on Earth, and the essence of true music was thrown out the window. The only picture that became clearer since those days, day by day, was that of where this society was heading. I’m 70 now, and still play “my” music twice a week, at a Tuesday morning organic market and Sunday lunch at a restaurant, with an odd Fri or Sat gig every now and then. And believe it or not, never in my life have I seen more relaxed, happy faces than those of the people at the market and the restaurant. Seeing the corporate driven mass hysteria 38 years down the track and the impact it has on a global scale, socially, environmentally and politically, my thoughts revert to those days when I foresaw where we’re heading. And I feel sad because there was nothing I could have said or done that would have turned things around. This might also explain why I feel for the plight of Jacque Fresco and others who dare to throw the world a dream of better things in its lap, against all odds.
Bob Oort http://www.users.bigpond.com/boboort, with photo albums at http://www.picasaweb/google.com/senorob and the Zeitgeist TVP forum blog.

Heya Bob Oort,

Thanks for responding.

Where is the “The Venus Project forum”? Do you have a link?

You begin one paragraph with “Your economics question is valid indeed.” Which of my questions do you consider to be an economics question, I’m a bit unclear.

“personal” economics are very different from global economics.

I have to admit I don’t know what a “mushroom suburb” is. Where can I read more? It might be true in warmer climes that a “luxurious castle” has little environmental impact but up here in Canada a bigger house means skyrocketing carbon footprint.

If you are interested in sustainable design for building check out LEED: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_in_Energy_and_Environmental_Design
This is a something gaining mindshare in Canada.

David

Hi David,

Likewise.

The Zeitgeist Forums Link:
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=3&func=showcat&catid=3
But be prepared for extreme mental exercise. (I can only speak for “THE VENUS PROJECT” forum).

This was the reference I took as the catalyst for my bit on economics:
Quote David: I took basic economics and I see what you are saying. I’ve question “this system” for a long time and i’ve managed to escape it in my own way -End quote.

The scale of global and personal economics is different. But the economics are the same: Live on borrowed money and you live on borrowed time. Gets more complex when Dick borrows from Tom to lend to Harry and the effects are well, look around anywhere on this Lend/Lend/Lend and Spend planet and you’ll get the picture.
I live on a meagre Australian Govt. Aged Pension, about 1/4 of an average wage. But I survive because I don’t borrow, don’t indulge in useless stuff, and enjoy trying to use my brain (not always successfully) rather than go for drugs, alcohol, gambling casinos, luxury yachts, discos, virtual reality and computer games. And I still manage feeding my dogs and a few wild birds.
It’s not so much in the magnitude as in the principle.

A Mushrooom suburb is an entire new suburb built in 3 months or so on a block of 50 or more demolished old houses, a “reclaimed” ecosystem area or an overworked, end of life piece of farmland. Apart from different exterior paint, the structures are basically the same, it’s fast, cheap, and puts a whole lot of new homebuyers out of existence long before corporate interest runs into the principal.
Don’t know of any info, try Mushroom Suburbs Sydney on Google.

I am interested in anything humane and environmental. But I am a classical/flamenco guitarist contributing to a little sunshine in people’s lives, for which I have to practice every day. While I get glimpses of what people are doing, I can’t physically nor mentally cram everything in that little hard drive of mine, so please forgive me for not spending more than 1 hour a day on the infinite information labyrinth of cyberspace.

There are little pockets in several countries where people are working on reasonably feasible energy and environment saving technology and building structures. It’ll come together one day, slowly but surely.

Check the TVP forum, I’m curious to hear if you survived it. Hope you will.

Regards, Bob

@ Bob,
Near the top of this thread, you ask the question “Who lives on my doorstep?”.

It may warm your heart to realize that as long as the internet (or better) exists, we ALL live on your doorstep.

I’m very glad to meet you, my friend.