Can I down load the movie anywhere so I may share it with friends in New Zealand?

why didn´t share the link? think thats the easier way.

greetings

Jürgen

@Sean
You can buy it.

i’m a bit confused about this social structure. how can the farmer who works the fields doing dangerous back breaking work all day have the same standard of living as the physician who will care for you in this utopia society’s clinics. the maintenance worker, sweating over a wrench, getting blistered working on your monorail system vs. the baker making bread for the masses and giving it away since there is no monetary system. yea, … i’m a little confused about how it’s supposed to be all equal and everyone have this perfect life. if you all pull this off, let me know.

Eventually, both jobs would be completely replaced by machines.

It will take longer for complicated surgery and other tricky medical procedures, but it will inevitably happen some day, even in this field.

Most of this will happen, with or without The Venus Project. The question is, how many of us will die in misery, remaining jobless, while machines replace us. Conclusion: It’s time to reform the system, to actually serve the people in it.

Machines are not our enemies. We are our own enemies right now.

But we will overcome the current mentality.

A path similar to what The Venus Project suggests is the only rational future for humanity. It is so logical, that many other futuristic works converge towards similar visions.

So, we should also understand, this is not a personal opinion of one man as how the world should be. It is objective application of the scientific method to society.

Jay: The whole idea is to eliminate the need for such work from the get-go. There wont be any people involved in the makings of things, more so in the designing of needs.

You can make a phonecall to someone across the globe with a peice of plastic and a few chips in a matter of seconds. Making a corn-picking-machine isnt that more difficult.

Peace!

jay, i think you didnt unterstand the tvp. its quit easy. the farmer does not works hard because in a resource based society we use the technology. so nobody needs hart or dangours works. thats the way we do it.
and tvp is not a utopia its possible. we all only must change our way to think. in our monitary system the only reason why you must work is, that you are a slave. because if you didnt work you didnt get money so you cant pay you rent etc. in a soc like this there is no money. look at the videos, i think jacque can explain it better than me^^

cya

nice greetings from vienna (europe)

This is the perfect idea to not be controled by money as we are slaves of someone else.I can imagine how our lives will go.All nations will really be united not just being a member of UN as now.

Nothing is more perfect than to live in natural way of humankind.

Great to know this project,
Jeab
Bangkok

@ll

Speaking to semantics as was encouraged in the E-book (so that we my be more technically versed and come to agreement easier) I believe you mean to say ” Conclusion: it’s time to revolutionize the system, to actually serve the people in it” as reforms do not change the fundamental nature of any given system but merely fine tune it. The society Jaque speaks about in plain terms is Scientific Socialism.

Love the idea, but concerned about overpopulation.

It seems like in this idea most people will eventually live to be 100+ years old, maybe even 200+ with the advancement of medicine and medical procedures and altogether healthier lifestyles. Now I know there will be cities on or even in the water and space (although I think more people would want to live on land which could create a few problems), but eventually we are going to be overpopulated, don’t you think?.

Imagine going to your favorite beach and there being so many people that you either have to squeeze in a spot or find a different beach altogether since hardly anyone will be working. Or, if you wanted to visit say, “The Great Wall of China”, how many people will be there at the same time. People are not gonna want to schedule every little thing they want to do for the day/week/month/year on a computer, I for one love being spontaneous and doing things on a whim.

Also, sports and entertainment tickets for special events like the Super Bowl, World Cup, World Olympics, any concert or award show are going to be very tough to get. How do you decide who gets the best seats or any seat for that matter?

Another problem could be traffic. I love to drive (especially fast), it makes me at least feel free. What if half the World’s population feels the same way. There are a lot of people out there who have never driven a vehicle before who I’m sure would love to get behind the wheel.

Like I said, I love the idea and I’m letting everyone I talk to know about it cause its dominating my thoughts! lol

I just finished watching the Zeitgeist Addendum… was intrigued by some of the ideas, and decided to check out this website. It struck me as especially ironic that, in the top banner of the Venus Project website is an advertisement for a 21+ acre property in Florida (FSBO, “a perfect country get away… must see”)… and further down the site, a notice that my shopping cart is empty. This smacks of hypocrisy, coming from a group that (from what I gather) encourages abandoning the monetary system, embraces “abundance” and rejects scarcity, etc. However, in fairness, that criticism may be too harsh… rather, the prominent featuring of such eminently capitalist elements (i.e. real estate sales and e-commerce) on the website only reinforces my skepticism that such a new world order is practicable and viable. The required effort to perpetuate the existence of this organization would seem to be in direct conflict with its own philosophy… it’s continued existence thereby discredits its existence. How postmodern and evolved.

I hope this new system will work! It really looks promising. What’s the buget of this project? I am really curious! And how they manage to pass the bureaucracy. It everyone’s dream to see a new world without war but… we will live and we will see. I hope nothing big is going to hapen in 2012. Sometimes I’m sceptic but sometimes I see this varioations of temeperature and it really makes me think on that date, 21 december 2012. I don’t thnik is up there a dude names god that protect us so, from my point of view, we are on own.

Hi! I’m not trying to spam but I can’t find another way to get in touch with you. Please check out my new article:

10 Reasons to abolish money

http://studotnet.blogspot.com/2009/08/10-reasons-to-abolish-money.html

It’s right up your alley, I think

i loved the zeitgeist series on youtube

Hi,
It seems a perfect ideea..to perfect .
For now, no one can give up MONY,not even THE VENUS PROJECT, as they make some mony selling stuff on the site and some properties in California(as i saw on this site),even if they do it for nonprofit.The big question is how do you make human kind give up this sitem?! AND…how can the “rich” people give up their wealth,because wealth=POWER.What i mean is maybe some people don’t want to be equal,they want to RULE others,to feel and have power.
In my opinion this system can only work if our children are born and raised in this kind of world.
I agree that the Monetary system is unfair and some time in the future WILL FAIL!
Maybe we can have a system like STAR TREK …
Hope that human kind survives and evolves this age.
Salutations form Romania!

I’m supportive and I believe in this system, it would work 100%, if the human race were not consumed with greed. I believe that if every man, woman, and child on earth used just what they needed in order to survive, and live comfortably, then it could be equally distributed.

Speaking of; Is it not going against your own teaching and beliefs to charge people 10$ to see this movie, that just funds the scam of the money system, and fuels the “cost” of materialistic items. Money has no value; It’s just a piece of paper.

So Why not it be free to view, to spread the word of a man who has moved progressively in this life with good ideas….

@jay
Your only job in the future is to educate yourself so you could improve technology!

I thing that the most beautiful idea in tvp is not that harder work will be made by the machines, perfectly possible, but even if you are a farmer or a physician we must investigate to optimize the work and resolve the necessities essentials of all the people in the world.

Sorry for my inglish :S

Spain

I find it excessively naive to think that by allocating ALL work to machines, people will somehow become happy. They will become extinct.

Joy is the perception of progress. That perception comes from instincts that have developed over millions of years toward the survival of the human. If those instincts are artificially alter (as is currently being instigated), “what it means to be human” must also change – by DESIGN. What remains will not be truly human, but rather a combination of nanotechnology and altered DNA creatures that at one time long prior had been what we now call human.

If such alterations are not made (and they certainly will be as they are being made currently) the impetus for joy in life will be dependent upon current perceptions of progress. that means building toward something new and that means changing Utopia into anything else – Non-Utopia.

Removing the need for human work or suffering removes the ability to perceive more progress and thus sense the joy from such doing.

No one on Earth has ever desired without first perceiving the potential for discomfort. When they perceive a path to relieve their perception of potential discomfort, they sense hope and from that hope, joy in making progress toward the objective.

Simply removing all of the problems of Man merely yields the problem of having no problems. Chaos and utter destruction come when the mind and heart has no means to choose which path is actually better. How can anything be better if everything is already safe and comfortable?

Or are you proposing that humanity will simply become a grouping of bags of fleshy, stagnate joy?

What about the existing, interesting and diverse structures representative of cultural history and identity? I mean, that’s one of the most exciting things about travel as far as I’m concerned.
What about taste differences? There is elegence in these models, but the aesthtics lack an organic feel.
What about the desire to work creatively with organic mediums and materials?
What about the desire to cook, or eat out? Where do people stay when they travel?
I have logistical questions, such as these.
I believe also that intuition and Source inspirations play a role in imagination and creativity, and even in diagnosing illness.
Curious and excited.

Blessings,
Allison
Santa Cruz, CA
Where are the centers for congregation in these models?

Jay, I can see how your confused with this social structure.BUT I’m confused with THIS social structure,the one we’re living in.(with good reason)

THE NEW LUDDITE CHALLENGE

First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines that can do all things better than human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort will be necessary. Either of two cases might occur. The machines might be permitted to make all of their own decisions without human oversight, or else human control over the machines might be retained.

If the machines are permitted to make all their own decisions, we can’t make any conjectures as to the results, because it is impossible to guess how such machines might behave. We only point out that the fate of the human race would be at the mercy of the machines. It might be argued that the human race would never be foolish enough to hand over all the power to the machines. But we are suggesting neither that the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice but to accept all of the machines’ decisions. As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won’t be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.

On the other hand it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite – just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone’s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes “treatment” to cure his “problem.” Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or make them “sublimate” their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they will most certainly not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals.

Jay, and others:

There is a great deal on the internet about sustainable implementations that anyone can begin to make happen in their own lives and their communities. Here is a practical set of solutions proposed for one particular location if you are interested.

Sustainable Living with Jim Bell 33:32

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1109924843833818320&ei=0362SpCILYzYqAOLnI38AQ&q=sustainable+living&hl=en#

I’m not affiliated with Mr. Bell but thought this might provide some practical insight and inspiration into a possible growth toward a sustainable future that is not inconsistent with the Venus Project vision.

Respects -

Just one question i understand every aspect of TVP and in my opinion its the futur but only one thing . what about violence ? i dont talk about the violence like stealing to eat or the thing like that but i talk about the violence like a fight in a nightclub for a girl technology can do anything for that ? ( sorry english was not my first language but i hope you understand )

@jay
Barter System-Trade or exchange goods and services without using money. I would presume this to be the method of monetary exchange. Past ancient civilizations worked exceedingly well with this “stress free form of compensation”. Lets see. How about a pig for a 10 minute doctor visit? I think the term “relative” would quickly find its place in this peaceful environment. Humans are very adaptable and value is inately understood by most. Our present monetary enslavement was introduced in the early 1900’s (see Century of Self) on you tube for a refresher course. Ta

Hi guys,
I’d like to make some observations and recommendations:
While I feel to be more or less on your wave, the images on the site, while fine in and of themselves, look, to me, too similar from image-to-image; too Jetson-ish, sterile, technical, rabbit-hutched, mass-produced, symmetrical, plastic, crowded, structured, non-individualistic, and/or city-focused– whatever you want to call those things anyway. “Gated communities R us.”
The site seems to have a feel for a nice portfolio of someone who began to do urban industrial design in about the 50’s or thereabouts.
I have my doubts as to whether cities, no matter how nice, including cars and boats, are going to necessarily be things that everyone’s going want to live with or want invading their oceans, land, peace. Some are going to want a simple life in smaller, more classical localized communities, with untouched/unspoiled natural surroundings.
I also question whether machines and cities are necessarily the best way to live and/or to promote a new culture for people.
That said, I would consider posting at least some images as complementary counterpoints to the already-valid images to better reflect human diversity, freedom, naturalness, history, etc., if you’re serious about your movement.

Would have been great to have seen the link. Maybe you can share how this event turned out.

See, who works for us if we don’t? All these materials are just going to POP out of thin air for us? Who is going to fund these machines? Who can guarantee that this wont go terribly wrong with the machines, and end up killing ourselves? This sounds far-fetched, but look at I Robot. Or Wall-e. There are too many flaws with this plan.
Secondly, if we rule out money, how are we going to monitor production needs? What, we just make, and make, and make, and hope everyone will take enough? Or perhaps we just go out and waste all of our resources and THEN realise how stupid this plan was to begin with.

It’s important to know that now we`re more than 6500 millions of humans, and the natural resources of the planet are in decay but it`s not for the ammount of population but the unequal distribution of them. First thing to do is support sustainable development in poor areas, then educate people cause ignorance creates slaves, many changes are posible now as described in the documentary. No matter what the changes will come when the world will be declared in bankrupt(and it’s happening now), then we have to act and don’t let the leadders decide, they will create more hunger, wars and genocides like the Holomodor, we have the technology to decide what’s best for us, for me tvp is not just totally possible but the only way for the humankind in a short future. It’s time to be honests!

@Sean

@ll
Congratulations to all who have arrived here. You are brave, bright, valuable people who, at this moment in history are the most valuable human beings on this planet. You have it within you, to make this happen. The sooner we formulate a cohesive strategy to move this forward, the sooner WE start, the sooner WE benefit, the sooner our communal home, (the earth!)behefits… Why not?

Hi Johan, Not sure if I fully agree with a work-free society. I think everyone, who is able, should work for some part of most days. Holidays are fine, and loads of them, why not? But also, regular work, to keep us sane, to keep our bodies healthy. Machines are fine, but we should strive to maintain skills and knowledge. If we allow machines to do all our work, there is a risk we will forget how to maintain and improve the systems. Whaddyathink? Peacemaker.

This idea sounds all well and good, but I don’t understand how many of you can say it is possible now. The technology to do all of this does not exist yet. Consequently, plans toward this realization are of necessity. One cannot set goals without a way to achieve them. There are a myriad of problems that have to be addressed. From here to there isn’t such a small distance as some of you promulgate.

For anyone who saw Zeitgeist the essence of the Venus Project can be found in the works of George Bernard Shaw, who foresaw the need for this, and drew it in greater detail than I find in anything put out by the Project in his “Intelligent Woman’s guide to Socialism, Communism, etc”. Shaw was a true pioneer, and his Fabian Socialism and equality of income point the way. He answers in detail many of the questions found on this web page. I see no need for the emphasis on science. Nor do we need all the futuristic images I see in the art-work on this web site. Humankind will continue to enjoy the natural beauty of the world, as it has done since the beginning of human occupation of this planet. If the better world envisaged by the Project is so far into the future that technology will make the environment unrecognizable to us, it will be hard to work towards. Finally, I was alarmed to see more of the 9/11 false flag nonsense served up in the film. There is no evidence to support the proposition that it was a false flag episode, and if the Institute identifies with this position then you have lost me.

Let`s say that this project is running right now and every person has its basic needs covered (food, home, education, health…) what if all people would like to own their own car, yacht, jet, beach house, what if each memeber of the family would like to have each one all of this things would be there enough resources? What if everybody wants to have bigger houses because with swiming pools in their privacy at home. What would happen with all needs of a person? Who will creat & control my needs as a person. What would happend if for example in this resource based society the offer of high quality car (or any other product) are not what my or some other person expectation are. What would happend than. I think that on the long run the choice or the freedom would be in jeopardy and this is why I also thik this would be an utpoia society. This society would only be possible when all of us humans beings leave aside all of our personal & individual needs, desire, dreams in the name of the common good, and to me this just sounds as disguised communism.

I notice that the twitter account and this blog as well as any other updates all seem to cease around June 2009. Has something happened?

Sorry for being OT. Creative, visionary: possible. You are absolutely brilliant! I am a new fan from Italy and I am spreading the word about Venus Project over here. Grazie!

So Jay, with your logic nowadays the farmer should have more economical resources (money) than a lawyer from a big enterprise with all the comoditys that represent. Not happening, not gonna happen happen ever. For the farmer to be equal to a lawyer is an improvement right now.
Not saying that your suppose venus project assumption is right.

this is possible beacause we have resources and knowledge, that is all we need (but in this system + money).The farmer will have the posibility to educate himself if he wants to … @jay

those are small problems that can be easily solved… The most important now is transation@William Nelson

Andrei if you see this message please contact me at cs.wzup@yahoo.com(si pe mess) …@Andrei

dont know about this movie but I`m sure all money the venus project can make will be used to help this project @Kevin

the work to progres ,discover and invent new things that brings joy to people is many times increased(in the venus project) . Majority of people today do not work because it brings joy, they work for money to buy things that brings them joy,the things they wanted to buy will be free and then they can work,study,discover on what they bring them joy(working in a restaurant is only bringing money not joy and that job will be replaced by machines) . Few people in this days can work for money and joy to invent,study and discover things.
@James S Saint

@Andrei

the venus project members don’t like money and could(?) prove to rich people they could live even better in this project